BFF Paris bike polo tournament video comparison

I agree, but on small polo courts, it’s a good idea to have a goalie that is pretty much full-time, and most Europeans play on small courts.

Also, some top teams in North America play full time goalies, even on big court

AWOL One = Rythm

thank you Joe

they want to be like their american heroes kremin and seabass.. winning games from the goal

I’ve never understood the anti-goalie movement. Crappy goalies are easy to score on, good goalies help win games. If you’re opposition is the fact that a good goalie messes up your super sweet polo shots, then get better at slowplayin’ em, and bait them out.

Doug – the reason why you see so many goals scored through the goalie in these vids is because they’ve been edited to show the (exciting) goals, not the blocks… (the second video is just the Geneva B team vs a Paris B team, so not represenstative of the level of play at this tourney). Some players are becoming quite good at goaltending, not as good as seabass yet but working on it.

I think the North Americans coming to the worlds in Europe next year are going to find it way harder than expected…

anybody knows what is the soundtrack ?

@TD

I’m not anti-goalie, i’m anti small courts, which make goalies way too important. hockey rinks or Pit-sized courts mean that goalies pretty much have to come out, or else their team is basically shorthanded.

Yeah!!!! Thanks Doug!!!! I precisely wrote a note on this subject yesterday!! we play on a hockey rink and it’s really boring to play with goalies!!

yorgo, we played the best yurp has to offer, it may get better but lets not kid ourselves our champions are athletes, yours are models.

Playing without a near-full-time golies on small court is suicide, any average/good shooter will aim directly to the empty goal. At this point is like playin 1v1 and lose the ball: counter attack mean instant goal (wich is average-fun).

I made this video, and the music is Rhythm frome Awol One (like Joe said before). £And Yes in the footage i put a lot of wining shots between the wheels.

in Europa the standard court are more like basketball ground, cause rink or street hockey aren’t popular in europa. So we play that way and make a nice block in the goal is fun and technical. Shots from defensive field into a empty goal is boring too…

yeah goalies sure do work against the spirit of a fast open game. the two teams in the final had a goalie each who never budged from the goal, probably both good polo players (although we never got to find out) but just average goalies…sigh. At the same time I really don;t like adding more rules to the game unless absolutely necessary, I can’t think of a good, functioning, easy to enforce rule to keep goalies out of the goal.

so regarding doug’s anxiety that euro polo is not up to snuff, well it’s probably still true to some extent, none of the teams would yet challenge the top 5 US teams (yikes, perhaps even the top ten) but there are a whole bunch of teams which have improved dramatically.

One more awesome thing was that there was two really great women’s teams, one from Berlin (or maybe Munich?) and another London team. I was pushing to have them play each other as a precursor to the final but we were shit outta time. so yeah, I think next years Euros should have a womens tourney (but this should not exclude the same women from competing in the mixed tourney as well)

Let’s not forget the best team in the world has a full time goalie.

But when you play on smalls courts, did you let a goalie?
How do you defend when the opponent can easily score from his part of the court?

And you’re right, the second vid is boring… im playing with the geneva B team, and that’s true, we are too slow and fixed goalie make it bader to watch.

Have you some good link to american no goalie way of play?

(For me the best way to play is a rotating goalie, all players need to be good and ready to take goalie position and ready to go for a strike back).

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ben:

yorgo, we played the best yurp has to offer, it may get better but lets not kid ourselves our champions are athletes, yours are models.
26 October 2009, 10:14 pm ”

I have no idea what you’re talking about 99% of the time. This would be one of those times.

@jared: true, Seattle has an amazing goalie. Seabass has a great game but I think he won the MVP in philly not just for his tripodding skills but his demoralizing counterattacks, he was more than just a goalie in my opinion and his team has three equal complementary players. The goalies in the final in Paris clearly had orders never to move from the goal and it creates a game where one guy is more a goalie bitch than a third player. I consider trying to eliminate this from the game far more important than any bj’ing issues (which I dont really care about at all) but I have no idea how to do it, I think disallowing shots from beyond half court might help I dunno. Certainly having bigger courts available (at least in Paris) would help a lot.

@rox: yeah Ive read some pretty interesting comments from Ben but I actually thought that was pretty funny.

The better way to play without one fixed goalie is to hacking his mallet frequentely. Cause a team that have a one player olny goalie is more disturbed when he foot down. You can also take the place of the opponent goalie in his own goal, show him that’s a free space.
The most effective way to delete fixed goalie is to beat teams who play too much like that with a more effecient play. (for me the best team his rotative goaling and good countersattack)…
Althrough the olny rule who can disable goaling is to draw a Zone, like in basketball, where you cant stay more than ten second for example… but th’ats boring to adding too much rules…

Not allow shot from half court is boring to, a good sniper shot is part of the game…

I thought ben’s comment was quite funny in fact

I found this thread and woke it up, maybe people will revisit these ideas

http://www.bikepolo.ca/forum/rules/2009/05/21/goalies-and-goals

Yeah bigger cages would be the most clever compromise! that obliges a simple wall with wheels to become a real active goalie! … it’s more interesting for the goalie and for the attacker… Bike polo is the only sport where goals and goalies have the same size! (even at Hockey the goalie is smaller than the goal)…. I think that the current size of the goals don’t work any more with the current way to play.

Hi there!

I edited a another video about the BFF bikepolo in Paris.
Here is the link if you want to add it to the post:

http://vimeo.com/7334563

Bye!

London’s current league has seen an effective, yet wholly tedious, tactic taken up for defence against strong attacking teams. The defending teams are doubling up on goal, sometimes even three deep, to prevent attackers from getting a shot at goal due to the sheer volume of bikes in the way of the bike width goals.

To give you a quick idea of the league, each league fixture is made up of three games, between two teams, which are timed to fifteen minutes each. There have been numerous instances where the stronger team has had a game drag out to 15 minutes with very few goals scored by either team due to the successful application of having two people on goal and the third chasing to gain possession of the ball. Even when the attacking team make good use of passing and bypass the third guy who is chasing there’s generally no way to score as the two offset goalies are covering each others five holes.

The thing I find personally worrying is that I’ve seen this tactic being adopted in pickup games, something which is beyond boring for the players and the spectators. I’m all for pickup games banning goalies but for tournaments most teams will always want to keep a player in or near their goal, personally I prefer teams who rotate their defenders but it’s not my call to make, some teams will always have a designated goalie.

mapple youre wrong, what if a sumo play hockey as a golie?
(faut qu’on bouge à Grenoble vous violenter un peu à par ça)

quentin> vous êtes toujours les bienvenues!